The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! He pitched over 300 innings for 4 years in a row, coming close to 400 one year. The Mets traded the best player they ever had for a bunch of stiffs. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. ", And what about the occasional Tiger fan who taunts him about his tummy? A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Doug S. Mickey had a lifetime 3.44 ERA and 2832 strikeouts. (thankfully returning in '81). Jim Snedeker November 12, 2006 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. The point is he made a bad team worse. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. May 9, 2002 Once the Tigers won in 84 I gave up on having a 2nd favorite because their win did nothing for me. No contest. Mickey was a fantastic pitcher for the Tigers. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Mr. Sparkle Ken Akerman As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. June 30, 2001 But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. An interesting thing about Lolich that I remember from an old Mets program is that he's actually right handed. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. To the guy who scored the game when Lolich gave up two homers to the no name pitcher- big deal? Rusty played another decade. NYB Buff Lolich struck out more American League hitters than any other lefty in the history of baseball- that includes Randy Johnson, etc. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Quarry says he will soon have a book of his poems published, titled. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. (thankfully returning in '81). He also had a terrific arm and was a darn good fielder. December 20, 2019 However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. I still remember the Mets broadcast team trying to build him up in the eyes of the fans because he had been a Cy Young award winner. May 7, 2013 eddiek to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. News radio WWJ was a birthday gift from Detroit News Publisher W.E. Bob P Take a look at his stats on baseball-reference and you will shake your head. senor ortiz He was a big (emphasis: BIG) bust in New York. Bob P The Staub trade was ridiculous but not Lolich's fault. Three bad starts on 8/3 and 8/13 as well as his next to last start on 9/15 is what really bloated his ERA, not that 3.22 even in the '70s was that shabby.Yes, he was far removed from his prime but to say he sucked is pretty short sighted and flies in the face of the fact that he pitched well enough to be a 12-15 game winner, but then this is the same year Seaver pitched Cy Young caliber ball and went only 14-11. body would be a pretty slender person. According to his profile above, his height and weight are listed as follows:Height: 6.01 Weight: 170170 pounds on a 6 ft. 1 in. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. May 9, 2002 He later came back to play for the Padres. Organize, control, distribute and measure all of your digital content. He had terrific stuff. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. I disagree that Billy Martin had overused Mickey Lolich and Joe Coleman. August 11, 2015 The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the October 19, 2011 As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. Jay senor ortiz Staub a great fielder with a great arm? - Now for the trade itself. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! May 8, 2003 Michael Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. It would appear that the one party who was jobbed in the deal was Lolich himself. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. Lolich was a good one, underrated and dominating at times. April 24, 2003 Joe Figliola August 11, 2015 I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. April 30, 2009 They did not let him pitch the way he wanted. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. I look at his numbers as a Met and they're not bad. June 2, 2006 Kooz Then they all got old and the team slid into rebuilding- different than the Mets? September 24, 2005 After the shooting he served guard duty at the White House. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! April 6, 2012 His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. 170 lbs.? As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. No contest. July 31, 2002 Within a year, the corpulent Lolich had retired to open a doughnut shop in suburban Detroit. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Joe Figliola May 7, 2013 Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. Cut him some slack. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. And Rusty Staub? Cut him some slack. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. (With three lefties and a Seaver, the Mets were lefty killers) But the Mets needed hitting. Raymond Malcuit Jr. April 23, 2003 Like Seaver and Koosman, Mickey had pretty meager run support throughout his career. Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. Joe was hit by a Bob Moose pitch to drive in the tying run, but the '76 Mets couldn't stand such success, as two singles and a double play grounder by future Mets coach Bill Robinson in the top of the 10th off Skip Lockwood gave the Bucs a 2-1 win. I recall one year where he had 121 RBI's. Lolich committed to playing 2 years for the Mets, but then reneged on that promise. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. April 27, 2013 God bless him wherever he is and good luck! He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. We are going all the way!" December 8, 2006 =Chuck= In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. God bless him wherever he is and good luck! But what can you expect when the team only averaged 3.4 runs for Seaver per start and 3.3 for Lolich? March 5, 2006 However, I remember Lolich as being quite portly, so his true weight was a lot more than 170 pounds. But the facts are:Lolich spent 16 years in the Majors. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. =Chuck= November 19, 2002 Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Feat Fan The Mets acquiring him for Rusty Staub was another trade made by M. Donald Grant out of spite for Staub's salary request. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Raymond Malcuit Jr. Joe Figliola His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! Man, he was a big one. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. pete Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Pitchers have good days and then once in a while they hang a curve? I saw Lolich pitch at Shea on July 29, 1976, a Thursday afternoon game following morning showers, probably a getaway game, attended by a sparse crowd of 12,588. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Al support. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. As Sonny Jurgenson once said "you don't throw the ball with your stomach." But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Lolich hit a home run in the World Series- and so what does that mean, that he was a great hitter? Feat Fan What an interesting parallel, huh? But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. NO WAY he was 170 pounds. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. December 24, 2001 I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. These kit cottages were sold by Lake Orion Lumber. Raymond Malcuit I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. That was a terrible trade. April 23, 2003 Really? He normally threw lots of pitches and completed a high percentage of his games. I'll take Mickey's pitching line - except for W&L - any time. Bartolo Colon etc). Shickhaus Franks to realizing he was one of the worst trades in Mets history, before Seaver went to the Reds. End of Line HmmBaseball Reference.com is usually beyond redoubt, but I would say with almost unimpeachable certainty that Mickey Lolich weighed somewhere in the vicinity of 240 by the time he was huffing and puffing his way up the pitchers mound at Shea in 1976.Another awful trade, courtesy of M. Donald Grant, who couldn't wait to run Rusty Staub (coming off a team-record setting 105 RBI season) out of town, weeks after Mrs. Payson passed away. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. His not being elected to Cooperstown is a major oversight. They were starting their descent into oblivion and the Staub trade was step in that direction. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. Ok, the height is correct but make no mistake,a consistent, determined winner, Mickey Lolich was in the spotlight throughout his career. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. body would be a pretty slender person. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. The fact of the matter is New York is a what have you done for me lately kind of city, and when Lolich came to the Mets he pitched like a nobody. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. Lolich was a fine pitcher. Lolich may have been a great pitcher once, but by 1976 he was a has-been. Mike B October 19, 2011 170 lbs.? A few more years as the ace of the Tigers staff probably would have landed him in the Hall of Fame. Grant was a real hindrance to the Mets. See a list of every no-hitter and one-hitter pitched by the Mets, or against them. November 12, 2006 Ramblin' Pete He later came back to play for the Padres. Maybe Rusty was not in his prime when the Tigers got him, but the man could still swing the bat. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Five years before he became a Met, Lolich threw for 376 innings! As a 44-year-old with a beer belly, I can relate. I remember that the Daily News at the time would have a one-page section on Sunday that showed some of the athletes with their families away from the ballpark. Mickey loved his Harley. 170 lbs.? October 19, 2011 However, Mets management, in their infinite wisdom, wanted to trade Rusty Staub so badly, that they were willing to get anything in return, and actually had to go to great lengths to convince Lolich to come to the Mets. October 18, 2008 April 23, 2003 That would make him a star in today's market. Raymond Malcuit feat fan Raymond Malcuit Jr. As for his love of donuts, he could have been the prototype for Homer Simpson. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. October 19, 2011 He learned to pitch lefty in order to strengthen his left hand and arm after he lost the use of his right hand for a few years as a child. But this one defied all logic from the beginning. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. No contest. The last thing the Tigers needed was a dandy hitter whose hitting only went to support lopsided slugfest losses every day. Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. January 12, 2011 In that same year he went 13, 13, 12, 11 and 10 innings in 5 games. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. Ramblin' Pete Mickey Lolich did not pitch badly for the Mets in 1976. Then Vail hurt his ankle playing Basketball and he was never the same. Bartolo Colon etc). November 28, 2001 I wish the Mets had a pitcher today with a 3.22 ERA. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. He told the New York Press, he pitched with his head and arm not his abdomen. But then Vail got hurt, and Kranepool and the aging Torre got more playing time.The better plan was to keep Staub, and let Milner and Vail fight for a spot. (thankfully returning in '81). August 11, 2015 Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. But I think the final verdict has to be that neither team would have fared much differently with or without the Lolich/Staub trade. Jamey Bumbalo In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! I have to respectfully disagree with NYB Buff's claim that Lolich belongs in Cooperstown. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Mickey Lolich captured the sporting headlines in 1968 by upstaging Hall of Famer, Bob Gibson, in the World Series. Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. He also hit a home run in Game Two of the Series and outpitched Denny "31 Win" McClain in the Series. Man, he was a big one. Well, I never realized that Rusty Staub was such a favorite in New York, beside the old Tigers announcer George Kell always making a fuss over Rusty Staub's New York restaurant. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. And complaining about how fat he was? Rumor is they worked with Capone. I was 7 years old, listening to the Mets on the radio in the car with my mother. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. So when your "inning eater" goes 220 and gets a bonus it's beyond comprehension. Too bad we waited until '76 to bring him in, although his numbers indicated a lack of run support. Fact is Lolich was always overweight. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. March 5, 2006 He wanted to finish out his career in Detroit, where he had some great years (the photo of him jumping on Bill Freehan after the final out in the 1968 World Series is a classic). That's more realistic but generous, I think! But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Another guy who didn't get enough run support, and - yes - he ended up being blamed for the Staub trade rather than Grant himself. Lolich - donuts Staub - steak.The food metaphor of trading a steak for a donut is accurate in this and many Mets trades.Would love to see a book written with lists and analysis of all Mets trades. An E.R.A of 3.22 in the mid 70's was still pretty respectable. November 10, 2002 Fact is Lolich was always overweight. He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk. You can't be serious. And Rusty Staub? Mickey Lolich did not want to come to the Mets. Randy Tate But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. Jay Ramblin' Pete He started 45 games and completed 29. I remember Lolich pitching some good ball for the Mets with absolutely NO run support. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. After one year in New York Lolich retired. October 19, 2011 The point is he made a bad team worse. Staub a great fielder with a great arm? Lolich for Staub---it might be the fattest trade in major league history. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. As a kid collecting baseball cards and watching ballgames in the '70s, I remember being struck by Lolich's belly. He lost 39 games his last two seasons in Detroit, with an obese ERA both years. Or even a platoon as Vail was righty, and Milner was lefty.In the days of 4-man rotation, Seaver-Koosman-Matlack had them covered 75% of the time. Mickey Lolich was a great pitcher in the American League. All of you New Yorkers are forgetting how the Tigers fared in this deal of Staub/Lolich. The Tigers had some great years back in the late 60's and early 70's- much like the Mets. There were some games where the Mets did not give him support. I used to think that Lolich sucked with the Mets, but after reviewing his stats and starts from that year, he was a damn effective #4 starter. His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. Cut him some slack. Michael His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. Jim Snedeker Mickey did a few good games with the Mets as well as a couple shutouts. They have three children. No put-down of Mickey, but that teamed needed Staub much more than they needed another pitcher. But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. In one of his best games as a Met, hefty lefty Lolich (no doubt the prototype for David Wells), tossed 8 innings, allowing 8 hits and 2 walks while striking out 4, the only run scoring on a fourth-inning groundout by a young Dave Parker.Alas, with the Mets historically typical poor run support, Lolich left, trailing 1-0, for pinch hitter Mike Phillips, who fanned for the 2nd out of the ninth, before singles by Ed Kranepool (batting for Leon Brown) and Bruce Boisclair and a walk to John Milner loaded the bases for Joe Torre. Lolich pitched fairly well with the Mets, in fact I recall a 2-0 shutout at Shea he pitched against the Cardinals in about two hours. Only two others, Steve Carlton and Randy Johnson, have surpassed him. So he went from being the long-time Tiger Ace (and best Tiger- the 1968 World Series was won by him- and also almost the 1972 Playoffs) to just a nobody for New York- can you blame him for this back-stabbing trade by Tiger management? As for all the innings Lolich pitched in Detroit, in today's game 300 innings is comparable to two full seasons, what with pitch counts and constantly babying starting pitchers. Let me say that again, 376 and that's without a pitch count. Tigers Indians. December 13, 2007 I remember when M. Donald Grant traded Staub for Lolich he explained it to disgusted NY sports fans by saying something like "the team needs more speed. Koufax would have 175 by the All-Star Break. It was not made for the purpose of improving the team. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. September 29, 2007 GoMets2006 December 8, 2006 The plan was apparently: Vail LF/RF, Kingman LF/RF/1B, Milner, LF/RF/1B for those three spots. Mickey Lolich did not do too bad with the Mets, He just did not get the I'll start with full disclosure: I was (and still am) bitter that the Mets gave up one of my favorite players, Rusty Staub, to get Lolich-- who was well past his prime. His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. bob saunders I guess the idea that everyone loves a jolly fat guy is true. To this day she still despises Mickey Lolich. Usually a bad trade doesn't reveal itself as bad until later when the player that came clearly is not working out. Bartolo Colon etc). His era of 3.22 is only .09% more than 20-game winner Carlton for the Phils. In this World Series, Lolich pitched three complete games and allowed only five runs an ERA of 1.67. The Lolich for Rusty Staub trade might be the first and only trade where two players who were well known for food establishments were traded for each other. Maudlin, anecdotal sentiment at its best! He spent a year with the Mets and his final two years with the Padres. May 4, 2001 Baseball burnt him out. The men who have led the Mets, and the men who helped them. May 24, 2002 August 7, 2002 eddiek Ramblin' Pete March 5, 2006 April 6, 2012 You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". As far as who got the better of the Staub for Lolich deal: Rusty went on to have several excellent seasons in a Tiger uniform. McLain got all the publicity but Lolich got the wins in post season 1968. Mickey was a great pitcher but was not happy in New York. March 2, 2003 Its not Rustys fault the Tigers traded for hitting when they already had hitting. bob saunders NYB Buff May 7, 2013 Kooz See which Mets players have spent the most time walking the Earth. Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. Mickey was at the tail end of his career when he came to the Mets. But I have to say, I laughed out loud when I saw his physical statistics on this site. In my opinion, there are only three candidates for worst trade in Mets history:1) Staub for Lolich 2) the Ryan trade 3) the Seaver tradeI believe the Seaver trade was the worst, for obvious reasons. (Note: others featured in that section were the Knicks' Toby Knight and his wife and Rangers enforcer Nick Fotiu and his very leggy wife and kids)I also had the unfortunate opportunity to score the game against the Phillies where pitcher Larry Christensen belted TWO home runs off Lolich on a hot Sunday afternoon. Raymond Malcuit Raymond Malcuit Jr. Mickey Lolich is one of my favorite players. May 4, 2001 6'1", 170???? (And of course Donald Grant) The Mets had to fill 2 corner outfield spots and first base. The fact that he pitched four consecutive 300+ inning years; that's like 10 years in today's game. John Bruce But in his final season with the Tigers, he became the all-time leader in strikeouts for left-handed pitchers. senor ortiz He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. I don't know if Mickey belongs in Cooperstown but he sure deserved more than 25% of the vote which was his highest showing. The trade was a great one for the Tigers and yet another whopper in a long history of bad trades for the Mets. I looked him up in The Sports Encyclopedia 2002 and they have 6' and 210 lbs. You can't trade Rusty Staub without instantly improving team speed". We are going all the way!" He may have left behind a fine legacy in Detroit but when he got to New York he stunk.You weren't happy with Rusty and we weren't happy with Lolich, so let's just call the trade a wash. Case closed. Laura15yearoldmodel etc. Lolich may be a legend in Detroit based on his 1968 World Series performance, but he was at the end of his career by 1976. Maybe when he was 15 years old he was 170, but at no point in his major league career was he ever 170. No contest. September 29, 2007 LA-Mets Mickey loved his Harley. June 30, 2019 Two quick points that haven't been mentioned:- It was Mike Vail's fantastic debut that led the Mets to believe they had a replacement for Staub. August 7, 2018 Having this claim (in addition to his World Series MVP) is definitely worthy of the Hall of Fame. He made the all- star team 3 times, led the AL in wins once, shutouts once, complete games once, innings once, strikeouts once, and losses TWICE.He finished second (1971) and third (1972) in the Cy Young race, and he never finished higher than TENTH PLACE in the league in ERA (finished tenth in both 1971 and 1972).Baseball Reference lists among his top ten in similarity scores: Jerry Koosman, Jerry Reuss, Rick Reuschel, Luis Tiant, Vida Blue, and Joe Niekro.All of that tells me Lolich in his prime was a good pitcher, but nowhere near a HOFer. Mickey liked his doughnuts. Raymond Malcuit Jr. This has never happened before? Mickey Lolich was the greatest left handed pitcher in the whole world to me in 1968, He was even greater than Denny. April 23, 2003 - Now for the trade itself. The original was in Rochester and that is the one I think opened in the 70s sometime. Dianna Jeanneh Jones Lolich finished his career 12th on the all-time strikeout list with 2,832, second only to Steve Carlton among left-handers. Let's understand one thing: this wasn't a "trade" in the traditional sense. The two 13-inning games didn't even count for complete games because they went 15 innings! His three wins in the 1968 Series against the Cardinals were the apex of his career. pete 170 pounds, maybe not but here's a fact: hurled 376 innings in the early 70's. Lolich won complete games in Games 2 & 5 and faced and beat Gibson and the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 7 by the score of 4-1 as the Tigers won the World Championship. Raymond Malcuit Jr. senor ortiz Jim Snedeker He never had much to say about Lolich's donut shop though. As it is, he was traded to a team with a set of already existent aces- Seaver and Koosman. Reading this brings back my memory of the trade that sent Rusty packing to Detroit. 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